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		By: Alex Ka		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2740</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Ka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article! By the way - it was the daily top post on foundernews.io on Monday!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! By the way &#8211; it was the daily top post on foundernews.io on Monday!</p>
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		By: Moti		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2745</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Alex,

I like the idea of trials. But I&#039;m curious about how you deal with employees who are already employed full time? Are people reluctant to the leave the security of a job for a trial?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>I like the idea of trials. But I&#8217;m curious about how you deal with employees who are already employed full time? Are people reluctant to the leave the security of a job for a trial?</p>
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		By: Eitan Shtainkort		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eitan Shtainkort]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 09:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the ideas of trails, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good for everyone cause a lot of people need time to settle in and only then they open up and start giving value but for a startup you obviously have to find those who can jump right in and start moving things so a trail is a great strategy. I like your perspective on the process of firing people and It&#039;s very true that the only way to do it well is to truly sympathise with the person in front of you and have a good open talk with them instead of thinking how annoying the process is and how you want to get it over with because it makes you feel uncomfortable. great post. thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the ideas of trails, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s good for everyone cause a lot of people need time to settle in and only then they open up and start giving value but for a startup you obviously have to find those who can jump right in and start moving things so a trail is a great strategy. I like your perspective on the process of firing people and It&#8217;s very true that the only way to do it well is to truly sympathise with the person in front of you and have a good open talk with them instead of thinking how annoying the process is and how you want to get it over with because it makes you feel uncomfortable. great post. thanks.</p>
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		By: Guest		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2751</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 05:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No offence to whatever it is you and Groove do, but this is a terrible business practice - giving someone a one week trial. It shows little regard to potential candidates who already have the deck stack against them in this industry. You&#039;re fitting the profile of a &#039;company&#039; who will make a candidate go through 3 phone interviews, 4 on site interviews, high risk long term career prospects, and to top it off you want them to agree to a one week &#039;trial&#039;? Professional companies (who have their own ways of pushing people out) at least are polite with &#039;1 month probation&#039;.  You&#039;re being ignorant of the fact these people have trained their whole lives just to be able to walk in your front door.

I think it&#039;s telling that you described previous intelligent workers who just couldn&#039;t get along, because that sounds like you hired kids, which makes sense because the only candidates who would agree to this practice are kids who don&#039;t value their or their employer&#039;s time.

This &#039;culture&#039; BS thing really has to stop. Listen to yourselves for god sakes. Successful companies have run for HUNDREDS of years before the word &#039;culture&#039; even entered the equation. People would get hired, they would produce, and if they didn&#039;t they were fired, and that wasn&#039;t even in a workers market!  No professional spends his whole life training to be the best at something only to get a one week trial, or get let go because of &#039;culture&#039; at some boutique SAS company. This is a complete cop-out by weak tech managers who are unable to be direct with an employee. It&#039;s simple, be prudent in talent acquisition, and be swift in letting people go but treat them as professionals. This is management 101 Alex, if you want to be quantitative instead of qualitative then go be an accountant. Just because what you&#039;re doing now worked out does not make it a good practice, nor one you should gloat about in a blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offence to whatever it is you and Groove do, but this is a terrible business practice &#8211; giving someone a one week trial. It shows little regard to potential candidates who already have the deck stack against them in this industry. You&#8217;re fitting the profile of a &#8216;company&#8217; who will make a candidate go through 3 phone interviews, 4 on site interviews, high risk long term career prospects, and to top it off you want them to agree to a one week &#8216;trial&#8217;? Professional companies (who have their own ways of pushing people out) at least are polite with &#8216;1 month probation&#8217;.  You&#8217;re being ignorant of the fact these people have trained their whole lives just to be able to walk in your front door.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s telling that you described previous intelligent workers who just couldn&#8217;t get along, because that sounds like you hired kids, which makes sense because the only candidates who would agree to this practice are kids who don&#8217;t value their or their employer&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>This &#8216;culture&#8217; BS thing really has to stop. Listen to yourselves for god sakes. Successful companies have run for HUNDREDS of years before the word &#8216;culture&#8217; even entered the equation. People would get hired, they would produce, and if they didn&#8217;t they were fired, and that wasn&#8217;t even in a workers market!  No professional spends his whole life training to be the best at something only to get a one week trial, or get let go because of &#8216;culture&#8217; at some boutique SAS company. This is a complete cop-out by weak tech managers who are unable to be direct with an employee. It&#8217;s simple, be prudent in talent acquisition, and be swift in letting people go but treat them as professionals. This is management 101 Alex, if you want to be quantitative instead of qualitative then go be an accountant. Just because what you&#8217;re doing now worked out does not make it a good practice, nor one you should gloat about in a blog.</p>
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		By: Nathan Jeffery		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Jeffery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The trial period helps.


Getting rid of someone once they&#039;re permanent is really difficult(at least in South Africa). Telling someone to leave due to lack of culture fit will land a business owner in court.


In South Africa an employee can leave when ever they want, but an employer can only fire someone after following an admin intensive process and even then unless you know what you&#039;re doing or have a really good HR consultant or lawyer you could still land up in court.


A good recruitment process in this situation is key, other wise you might end up with a team of people who you don&#039;t want to have around but can&#039;t get rid of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trial period helps.</p>
<p>Getting rid of someone once they&#8217;re permanent is really difficult(at least in South Africa). Telling someone to leave due to lack of culture fit will land a business owner in court.</p>
<p>In South Africa an employee can leave when ever they want, but an employer can only fire someone after following an admin intensive process and even then unless you know what you&#8217;re doing or have a really good HR consultant or lawyer you could still land up in court.</p>
<p>A good recruitment process in this situation is key, other wise you might end up with a team of people who you don&#8217;t want to have around but can&#8217;t get rid of.</p>
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		By: Vinish Garg		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinish Garg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article, as always. To let someone go gets easier when we communicate it clearly and honestly that why we cannot get along anymore. When I had to let go, I made the &#039;candidate&#039;  understand that his/her presence does not add any more value towards the team&#039;s goal. I added, &#039;Would you be happy to be here and not really contributing to the goal in the way we all want to? Nobody wants to be the extra player, we all want to be in the middle to play. Isn&#039;t it?&quot; It worked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, as always. To let someone go gets easier when we communicate it clearly and honestly that why we cannot get along anymore. When I had to let go, I made the &#8216;candidate&#8217;  understand that his/her presence does not add any more value towards the team&#8217;s goal. I added, &#8216;Would you be happy to be here and not really contributing to the goal in the way we all want to? Nobody wants to be the extra player, we all want to be in the middle to play. Isn&#8217;t it?&#8221; It worked.</p>
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		By: Kyle Racki		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Racki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post Alex. 

I fired 4 people at my last company and I relate to everything you&#039;re talking about. I think some people are so used to seeing TV bosses like Donald Trump and Monty Burns that they think it&#039;s easy, even enjoyable for a boss to fire someone. 

It&#039;s absolutely excruciating having to cut off someone from their their pay cheque and the friends they work with. It sounds weird but it&#039;s a similar feeling to breaking up with someone you&#039;re dating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Alex. </p>
<p>I fired 4 people at my last company and I relate to everything you&#8217;re talking about. I think some people are so used to seeing TV bosses like Donald Trump and Monty Burns that they think it&#8217;s easy, even enjoyable for a boss to fire someone. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s absolutely excruciating having to cut off someone from their their pay cheque and the friends they work with. It sounds weird but it&#8217;s a similar feeling to breaking up with someone you&#8217;re dating.</p>
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		By: James Fayal		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2757</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Fayal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t run into this yet, but I dread the day. Your insights will be a helpful guide. Another great source for info on tough situations, especially firing, is Ben Horowitz book The Hard Thing About Hard Things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t run into this yet, but I dread the day. Your insights will be a helpful guide. Another great source for info on tough situations, especially firing, is Ben Horowitz book The Hard Thing About Hard Things.</p>
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		By: jelenawoehr		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2758</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jelenawoehr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Longtime reader, first-time commenter - Alex, can I ask you a related followup question? How often have you hired someone (and been happy with them) knowing their previous employment was terminated, even if as amicably as you describe the best-case partings here?


When I first started reading &quot;Ask A Manager&quot; a few years ago as a first-time manager, I really liked seeing her describe employees as &quot;miscast,&quot; not bad at their jobs. Just in the wrong company, the wrong role, or the wrong culture. I hear you saying the same thing here.


But my fear, as both a hiring manager and an employee, is that the industry tends to discriminate against people known to have been fired. (Even as we idolize Steve Jobs, who got himself fired by his OWN company before he became a legend!)


Do you feel your trial period gives you the freedom to offer a chance to a skilled person who wasn&#039;t a best fit elsewhere?


Another related but much shorter question: How do you compensate in a trial? Hourly equating to more than the salary for the position, to compensate for self-employment tax?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longtime reader, first-time commenter &#8211; Alex, can I ask you a related followup question? How often have you hired someone (and been happy with them) knowing their previous employment was terminated, even if as amicably as you describe the best-case partings here?</p>
<p>When I first started reading &#8220;Ask A Manager&#8221; a few years ago as a first-time manager, I really liked seeing her describe employees as &#8220;miscast,&#8221; not bad at their jobs. Just in the wrong company, the wrong role, or the wrong culture. I hear you saying the same thing here.</p>
<p>But my fear, as both a hiring manager and an employee, is that the industry tends to discriminate against people known to have been fired. (Even as we idolize Steve Jobs, who got himself fired by his OWN company before he became a legend!)</p>
<p>Do you feel your trial period gives you the freedom to offer a chance to a skilled person who wasn&#8217;t a best fit elsewhere?</p>
<p>Another related but much shorter question: How do you compensate in a trial? Hourly equating to more than the salary for the position, to compensate for self-employment tax?</p>
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		By: Vlad		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vlad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A month ago I went through this situation at first time and I agree that firing is very hard. I&#039;n fact I didn&#039;t sleep well for two days. It&#039;s a great and very useful post. For myself I decided to not hire person until we 100% sure it&#039;s a good fit for our team after at least 2-3 month of collaboration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A month ago I went through this situation at first time and I agree that firing is very hard. I&#8217;n fact I didn&#8217;t sleep well for two days. It&#8217;s a great and very useful post. For myself I decided to not hire person until we 100% sure it&#8217;s a good fit for our team after at least 2-3 month of collaboration.</p>
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		By: Christopher Gimmer		</title>
		<link>https://www.groovehq.com/blog/how-to-fire-an-employee#comment-2760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Gimmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice article Alex. 

Out of curiosity, how much value do you place on experience when hiring? Would you rather hire the marketer with 10 years of experience inside a company/startup or would you give equal weighting to the kid that started his own company within the last year but made some decent progress growing it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Alex. </p>
<p>Out of curiosity, how much value do you place on experience when hiring? Would you rather hire the marketer with 10 years of experience inside a company/startup or would you give equal weighting to the kid that started his own company within the last year but made some decent progress growing it?</p>
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